You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "rabbitmq-users" group. consumers is not so helpful, since even a small number can kept Any ideas? IronMQ took 39.6 seconds to push 1 million messages onto a single queue, then 1 minutes and 45 seconds to drain them. In Test 3, we increased the batch size topost100 messages perrequest vs 1 per request in the previous tests and also increased the number of queues to 100. So how does the message size affect horizontal scaling? So when changing the syntax to the given example, we saw an increase in performance (and afterwards it stopped working after about 2-3 minutes). We developed an OpenMessaging integration for Starlight-for-RabbitMQ. You can still access the code to those performance tests here: https://github.com/Particular/EndToEnd/tree/master/src/PerformanceTests fast as possible, but this time we vary the message size. Welcome back! silly, were more interested in relative performance. Copyright 2007-2021 VMware, Inc. or its affiliates. see a performance drop compared to delivering without However, that's basically reading from the socket, framing, performing authorization checks and throwing away the result. Would you be able to share what message rate you are able to achieve and perhaps share your code for the producer and consumer. Something like this (pseudocode): another approach might be to spawn a fixed number of tasks/threads and try sending using them. more messages). Unlike most traditional message brokers, Pulsar at its heart is a streaming platform designed for horizontal scalability. OpenMessaging Benchmark enabled us to spawn multiple client workers (which served as producers and consumers to the broker) and ensured the client side wasnt the bottleneck. If the solution we are currently working on is correct or not (probably not at this point given the performance) is not important at this time as this is not set in stone. varies a lot more. In the below graphs, each message was 32KB which shows a near doubling in performance near the end of the graph. In these tests we can see that for small messages it only takes However, we still see regular latency spikes of several seconds. We hope weve presented a fair comparison between RabbitMQ and Starlight-for-RabbitMQ. In-memory tests with RabbitMQ and other MQs might provide different performance numbers, but we feel strongly that message persistence and dataintegrityare paramount and so only offer IronMQ in persistent and clustered configurations. The official RabbitMQ PerfTest by default runs with publisher confirms disabled. I think the question here is can one achieve a throughput of 100K msg/sec on 10 queues where each has a throughput of 10K msg/sec? This adapter opens a new world that pairs Apache Pulsars cloud-native performance with existing RabbitMQ applications. We need to update about 2.7 million records every night from an on-premise system to an off-premise system. It consists of several producers publishing to different exchanges. We want to achieve a throughput of around 10K msg/sec on non-durable, non-transactional queues (we just want a buffer in memory and we are sure that we will not reach the memory limits). Your use-case is saturating the schedulers at 3 producers, adding more results in preempting slowing down throughput. In our use case, we have a number of messages stored in a database and we want to push these messages to interested parties which are configured independently (think giant router!). As expected, when the backlog builds, the throughput drops, due to RabbitMQ redirecting the messages to disk. Were huge believers in modern, cloud native technologies like Kubernetes; we are making Cassandra ready for millions of developers through simple APIs; and we are committed to delivering the industrys first and only open, multi-cloud serverless database: DataStax Astra DB. 0. The performance we found was on par with case studies RabbitMQ have done, so we believe we did it justice. This one increases the number of queues which should reducecontention on the head of the queue during dequeue. That means that each send requires a full roundtrip. Perftest achieves around 28k without persistence.
Here are some simple scenarios. You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message. Once a process consumes its reductions, it will be forced (preempted) by the Erlang VM back in the run queue, where it will wait its turn for another scheduler slot. For the Starlight-for-RabbitMQ cluster, a Pulsar broker and a Bookkeeper instance are installed on each node. RabbitMQ, with persistence on, took 9m13s to push 1 million messagesthe queue and 8m17s to drain them. The next image shows average latency (lower is better): These tests produce and consume separately a set number of messages. individual consumer spends much of its time starved). one consumer publishing as fast as they can. Terms of Use, we have a larger prefetch count, increasing the number of From my investigation, it seems that independent producers slow down the system quite substantially (from approx 90K/s to 45K/s). Can we increase this somehow? Getting close to 100K producing and 40K consuming on IronMQ. However that doesnt represent real-world scenarios, because we did not do anything with the messages. We are super excited about this!
The maximum number of these unacknowledged The overhead of NServiceBus is adding a bunch of headers and serializing the payload. As you can see, when the backlog rises, the producer rate of 30k messages per second cant be maintained and the latency spikes over 10 seconds. In our experience you should be getting values around 3000 with NServiceBus, give or take. We wroteIronMQfrom the ground up as a cloud-agnosticmessage queue servicewith a focus on performance and easy deployment and management. This creates 24 queues that use all the CPU resources we have on the cluster. if Im correct, you speak Dutch, as I do. With PerfTest if you publish to an exchange that has no bindings, it can go up to 80K/s or more. So for the headline Of course, this is because for our particular network
Note the large difference in performance Giving us an average of 1044 messages per second. So lets run a test: publish a lot of non-persistent Every connection and every channel is an Erlang process. RabbitMQ was primarily designed for fire-and-forget applications where messages lived in-memory and losing messages was acceptable. In general weve Its not easy code to read, since weve created many permutations for every transport, for just receiving messages, receiving and sending, every single transactionmode, etc, etc. There is still an inevitable message rate drop over time due to database compaction, however the decrease is a lot less using XFS. The answer is: we don't know. even more quickly. All rights reserved. This is faster, but not as fast as we expect. So, are we faster than RabbitMQ? The results of our comparisons show that IronMQ is lightning fast, in many instances faster than RabbitMQ andmany other competitors, giving IronMQ the edge in a fast-moving digital world. Routing messages, storing them to disk, delivering them to consumers, applying flow control each takes its toll. It has native support for RabbitMQ, which keeps things simple. messages to a queue, and then consume them all. Playing around with the credit flow settings has no affect on throughput. Since Starlight-for-RabbitMQ is built on Pulsar, a high performance streaming platform, we achieve much higher throughputs than with RabbitMQ alone. Eventually, we benefit from all the other features Pulsar brings to the table (message retention, possibility to replay data, geo-replication, and lightweight computing). There are a couple of reasons for this: But in the real world we will often want to send bigger A fast, reliable messaging queue is important for every application. On our 8CPU, 30Gb dev server we managed to see such a throughput. The more queues you use, the better the dequeue rate is with IronMQ. The result is near real-time communication becomes possible within a system, instead of the nightly batch job. Wouldnt this hurt performance since a queue is handled by one process in Erlang. The rate becomes much Rabbit provides a nice abstraction which we would really benefit from! link prefetch = 50 already ensures that we never starve the This, however, is not an ideal setup since the consumerneeds to expose ports and the server configuration becomes a bit messier. Depending on what you do with the messages and your requirements using auto-ack may not be feasible and your QoS will most certainly be non-zero. (it's quite often is not the case on realistic workloads even with JVM, .NET and Go clients). Since its inception, weve put all of our highest volume customers on it, some doing billions of message requests per day. The benchmarks are open source atiron-maiden. (Yes, we We currently have a machine running RabbitMQ 3.8.2 which we already use for some standard production work, however as we are now scaling out we need to be able handle more and more messages. a couple of producers to reach an upper bound on how many No consumer consuming from the queue. Any language would do really. Thanks to the power of Apache Pulsar and its log-based architecture, we can get more than 10 times the throughput using Starlight-for-RabbitMQ versus using RabbitMQ alone. Same as above. The reason for this is But for many applications today, this is no longer unacceptable and at-least-once delivery is required. These tests happened on AWS EC2 with c3.8xl instance types, which have the following specs: Weve enabled disk persistence in all the tests unless stated otherwise, to ensure fairness and consistency, since IronMQ is always persistent. An average of 31.25 messages per second. This comparison looked at IronMQ vs RabbitMQ in variousmessage queuescenarios. This first scenario is the simplest - just one producer and So what happens whe queues get big? My advice is to closely model your expected application behavior and workload in an environment similar to production to ensure performance meets your expectations. The `-x | --producers N` PerfTest flag will create `N` producer connections with 1 channel each. Send messages to one queue (non-durable, no transactions) I achieve a throughput of 10K msg/sec. Next, messagerate and latency of IronMQ vs RabbitMQ was measured by message size. acknowledgements (the server has to do more bookkeeping after RabbitMQ uses 1 CPU/process per queue. Scrapping the rarely-used mandatory and immediate flags, lets common: very few messages actually get queued. Another thing I observed is that when the consumers are switched off the throughput is higher (obviously until the mem limit).
Additional In addition, the publisher rate and latencies are much more predictable when things deteriorate on the consumer side. To make sense of what exactly is the limiting factor in a multi-service, multi-node system you need. Another frequently confusing issue is performance around of your producer and consumer using the, I did some tests running RabbitMQ 3.6.12 on one machine and instances of the producer / consumer apps on a separate machine over a 1GiB network link and exceeded the 10K "limit" pretty easily. We This introduced a common need where its important to maintain the producer rate even when theres a failure of the consumer(s). Whatever we do we are stuck at 35K message per node. with the queues to make sure theyre still there. we have less and less routing overhead. busy enough to max out our queue, but the more consumers we have The enqueue rate didn't change much, but as you can see, the dequeue rateincreased by 2.5x, from 4K per second to 10.5-11K per second.
Please see the following documents: We can't provide expected performance numbers based on hardware specs alone.
Lets consumer while waiting for acks. Both IronMQ and RabbitMQ were set up as a single node servers. a bit faster than that - if we dont consume anything then we NServiceBus does it by default because we prefer running slower than losing data. This can be verified by looking at the disk usage. Whether you have a consumer on the other end of your topic or not, you may still need at-least-once delivery working reliably, making Pulsar your go-to solution. Using Pulsar as a storage backend with an AMQP implementation has its advantages, such as the ability to replay previously consumed messages. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to. Now lets try publishing with the mandatory flag set. We never hit the high water mark and no flow control is triggered. lower rate when pulling the messages from disc. To benchmark RabbitMQ, we contributed several enhancements to the OpenMessaging Benchmark RabbitMQ driver: These additions kept the benchmark fair and the testing realistic. However, small prefetch counts can hurt performance From experience what should be expected on a single server with the specs identified below. All the previous testswere using 1KB messages, this one uses small single byte messages. Python and Ruby clients cannot publish, leave alone consume, more than about 10K messages a second. I'm using RabbitMq to publish messages to interested consumers but it seems that I have hit some sort of weird 10K msg/sec limit. In the second case, without consumers RabbitMQ has "less to do" so you do see an increase in publish rate. 10k messages per second), its easier to maintain the rate during the backlog construction. My expectation here is that independent producers should not impact performance given that each producer has its own connection and its own separate channel. Is this normal? Note: All work/testing below is on our test enviroment. But we were able to get more than 10.000 messages per second while receiving and sending messages using NServiceBus. NServiceBus is more for continuous communication within a system. If you must use Python, using additional processes for producers and consumers on the same queue should get you the performance you're looking for. To have a fair comparison try running following two scenarios: I am sure that the numbers will get more alike as there is not much NServiceBus does on top what the .NET RabbitMQ client does. In my tests with two producers and two consumers using the same queue and my code I saw 13K - 15K msg/sec in the RabbitMQ management UI. When queues are small(ish) Disabling the Heartbeat, Audit and ServiceControl does not matter in terms of performance. So lets have a look at prefetch count and, while were there, Still data synchronisation (where another tool could still possibly fit better), but a lot less pressure and data is transferred near real-time. The second thing to notice is that when we have a small number Building Fast and Scalable Microservices with Apache Cassandra and Pulsar. Please check your entries and try again. could probably make mandatory publishing faster, but its not Not sure why this happens. I have changed our implementation to use the basic RabbitMQ.Client implementation to lower the overhead caused by NServiceBus. persistent or not. Some queuing theory: throughput, latency and bandwidth, 10 Things Every Developer Using RabbitMQ Should Know. they will reside entirely within memory. When adding all the headers which NServiceBus also adds, we still have a publish rate of about 4600 messages per second. If I add more producers the individual throughput rates for each queue go down whereas the global throughput increases slowly. Zookeeper was deployed on a separate t2.small instance to hold Pulsars metadata. Our use case is somewhat different. Network link throughput? Ideally, we are somewhere in the 300K region to start with. Without them, you are basically sending messages to RabbitMQ without waiting for the broker to acknowledge them. In cases where throughput matters, however, as in the case of high frequency messagingor IoT workloads, smaller message size should be a desired architectural characteristic. With regard to QoS and the Pika client (and RabbitMQ clients in general) - if you don't set QoS the default is 0 (unset). Also yesterday we have noticed that our service, which also runs with the same config as above, only pick up the messages at most 30 per second. workload without replication and with excellent producer/consumer locality and no conditions of network link saturation (since the number of publishers. I have another question: what is the scenario you have in mind that requires sending of 1000s of messages from outside of a handler? the queue is paged out to disc, then a more consistent lower For the backlog building test, we used a conservative 350k messages per second producer rate. This chart contains some deliberately absurd extremes. Something went wrong. before, theyre all variations on the theme of one publisher and I am currently testing the publishing using NServiceBus (7.2.3) on .Net Core 3.1. We drop This uses a couple of the cores on our server - but not all of see Matthews Apache Pulsar is one of the most popular cloud-native messaging and streaming platforms with phenomenal usage by enterprises like Tencent, Comcast, and Verizon Media. Performance of disc-bound queues is a complex topic - How many CPU cores are on that node? ar all. consumers even up to a large number has benefits (since each Send messages to a queue with a consumer (non-durable, no tx) reduces the production rate to around 8K msg/sec. The following tests produce messages as fast as possible and consume them as fast as possible, in various scenarios. diminishing returns - notice that the difference between prefetch = 20 and prefetch = 50 is hard to see, and the higher prefetch count. But when we have a larger queue we see that the performance Adding more connections or channels adds more work to a fixed number of schedulers, which once saturated, cannot make your system go faster. In my testing with your code, adding additional producer and consumer processes increased throughput. lower, since were throwing all those messages at the disk as A popular name inmessage queueservices is RabbitMQ. Feb. 2019 um 06:19 Uhr schrieb swati nair <, https://www.rabbitmq.com/tutorials/tutorial-one-python.html, https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rabbitmq-users/SKtMy3L44Qs/unsubscribe, https://gist.github.com/lukebakken/1aefe2716f8bfc3d2ead59a54ad44d95, https://www.rabbitmq.com/consumer-prefetch.html, https://www.rabbitmq.com/blog/2012/05/11/some-queuing-theory-throughput-latency-and-bandwidth/, https://content.pivotal.io/blog/rabbitmq-hits-one-million-messages-per-second-on-google-compute-engine, rabbitmq-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com, https://www.rabbitmq.com/tutorials/tutorial-two-python.html, 1 non-durable queue, 1KB messages & auto-acks is ~41K msg/s, RabbitMQ & PerfTest configuration details here. regardless of how fast your client and server can go, how many queues are involved and so on. one consumer. initially get a very high throughput, then a pause while some of RabbitMQ without persistence took 7m28s to push 1 million messages and 7m59s to drainthem. count. We decided on the typical scenario where RabbitMQ is used as a decoupling buffer between producers and consumers. Our NServiceBus setup is as follows. As Quite a lot of the work done by RabbitMQ is per-message, not Running NServiceBus on a desktop or inside Docker or on a VM has very different results. When the consumers resume and the backlog drains, we see that consumer throughput goes up to 140k messages per second and the producer rate drops severely. Additional: Running the same test against an Azure Service Bus (standard) instance, gives a throughput of about 500 messages/sec. or opinions. vary the number of producers with different message sizes. In this case performance can take a hit as IronMQs goal is to be the best cloud-agnostic message queue on every cloud, including behind the firewall and even as an on-premise solution. size increases, but the actual number of bytes sent increases as Test 1: 100 producers, 100 consumers, 1KB message size, 1 queue, Test 2: 100 producers, 100 consumers, 1KB message size, 10 queues, Test 3: 100 producers, 100 consumers, 1KB message size, 100 queues, 100 batch, Test 4: 100 producers, 100 consumers, 1 byte message size, 10 queues, 100 batch, Parallel Asynchronous Processing: Emails & SMS Notifications Best Practices, Google Cloud Run Alternatives and Review , Processing Twilio on Heroku with Iron Worker. I'm a bit late to the party, but hope this will be still useful: * a single queue will be limited by the speed of a single CPU core, * channels compete with queues for CPU time - the more channels a RabbitMQ node has, the less CPU time for queues, * channels are fast because they do little work, * queues are slower than channels because they do more work.
In a way, the perftest is "cheating" by letting the exchange do the work. Especially if these machines are running other software. three instances of Visual Studio). No database transactions, everything else turned off, etc. Send messages to a queue with multiple consumers (non-durable, no tx) reduces the production rate to around 8K msg/sec. Now i am not expecting the same throughput as the PerfTest, but from 25K to just 600 is a big difference for me.
very heavily used.). RabbitMQ was once popular as an open-source message queuing platform, but struggles to keep up with the scale and performance requirements of todays technology solutions. What are the message sizes? You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "rabbitmq-users" group. Ive been part of the team with which did performance tests some time ago. Benchmarking on a single machine isn't very useful as that does not model a real-world architecture. Publishing the messages to the queue is as follows: After posting the above message, i went further with testing. This could mean communication between the on-premise and off-premise application. So lets Yes, throughput increase but caps at around 15K msg/sec. This is an interesting problem that I'm sure other Python users run into so I'm happy to continue helping out with a solution. acks nor confirms. Given the scenario, We need to update about 2.7 million records every night from an on-premise system to an off-premise system. Persistent messages well. Thanks a lot for your reply. How are you setting QoS of 0? all) but its less noticeable. In a way, the perftest is "cheating" by letting the exchange do the work. Can anyone justify such an observation? more producers to use the available bandwidth. Hi , I want to find the number of messages published in one second to rabbitMQ .How can i find it? Regarding the PerfTest. same synchronous check with the queue. With lower producer rates (eg. When trying to find the max throughput (but still keeping the messages in-memory), we found it could reach about 50k messages per second before a significant increase in latency. Your reductions explanation has really helped us understand that CPU is as important as RAM in order to achieve throughput. (since we can be waiting for acks to arrive before sending out Is this normal? Using a direct socket-to-socket implementation we achieve a message rate of around 300K msg/sec on each configured "queue" (read socket here). between prefetch = 1 and prefetch = 2! Can your consumers go that fast constantly?